[sword-devel] Mailing list archives are insecure!

[David Haslam]

Another point is this, that using the unexpected [trail](https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/) which Leo gave me also bypasses the introduction page and takes one straight to the table of archives with a row for each month.

Aside: What happened before October 1999 ?

Best regards,

David

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On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 7:43 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:

> It remains the case that the list [archive / server](http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel) has an insecure connection that uses only HTTP.
>
> We should upgrade it ASAP to use HTTPS to avoid all the Browser Warnings!
>
> It's 2025 now. Nobody nowadays should still be using HTTP.
>
> With all the kerfuffle/hilarity about my use of Leo, we seem to have lost sight of the main point!
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
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> On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 6:27 PM, DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:
>
>> Fair enough of a disclaimer.
>>
>>> On May 2, 2025, at 10:39 AM, Nathan Phillip Brink <ohnobinki at ohnopublishing.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Leo clearly enough said that he doesn't know the actual URI but that if this organization followed a common pattern, they might have chosen that URI. I don't think that's a hallucination, but I don't know the jargon.
>>>
>>> On 2025-05-02 9:18:05 GMT-05:00, DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org>:
>>>
>>>> Leo is hallucinating. This is a well known problem of GPT agents.
>>>>
>>>>> On May 2, 2025, at 8:13 AM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a curious question!
>>>>>
>>>>> Me: What is pipermail?
>>>>>
>>>>> Leo: Based on the search results, **pipermail** appears to be a term related to electronic mailing lists, specifically the archives of mailing lists managed by the GNU Mailman software.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to Wikipedia, GNU Mailman is a computer software application for managing electronic mailing lists, and pipermail is likely a part of this system. It seems that pipermail is used to access and browse the archives of mailing lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're looking for more information on pipermail, I can try to help you further.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me: What is the URL for the archive of the CrossWire Bible Society's mailing list called sword-devel ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Leo: The URL for the archive of the CrossWire Bible Society's mailing list called sword-devel is not explicitly mentioned in the search results you provided. However, based on the context, it appears to be related to email list archives or mailing list management systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the search results, it seems that the `pipermail` term is related to email list archives, specifically the archives of mailing lists managed by the GNU Mailman software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given this information, it is possible that the URL for the archive of the CrossWire Bible Society's mailing list called sword-devel is in the format of `https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/` or something similar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aside: Leo is the AI agent in the Brave browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, now you know how I found it, is there something amiss with the aforementioned hostname?
>>>>> I don't recall seeing it before, but, hey!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 1:03 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't use 'lists' dot[crosswire.org](http://crosswire.org/). Where did you find that hostname? We have a catchall, so you can say[https://bettyboop.crosswire.org](https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/)<https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/> if you want, but the certificate won't be value for that domain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/2/25 6:46 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you visit (eg)https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first thing you notice is a Browser Warning that the URL is insecure.
>>>>>>> The https connection falls back to insecure http
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please would someone with access to our server make the necessary changes for our list archives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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